{"id":35,"date":"2006-08-18T16:59:27","date_gmt":"2006-08-18T16:59:27","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/deptfordtv.wordpress.com\/2006\/08\/18\/initiation-of-the-freeculture-uk-constitution\/"},"modified":"2006-08-18T16:59:27","modified_gmt":"2006-08-18T16:59:27","slug":"initiation-of-the-freeculture-uk-constitution","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/dorothea.tv\/?p=35","title":{"rendered":"Initiation of the Freeculture UK constitution"},"content":{"rendered":"

On the 8th of April the FC UK constitution<\/a> passed unanimously at the FC UK general assembly<\/a> at the Limehouse in London. As Deptford.TV is publishing the content under the Creative Commons License and the Art Libre License the discussion around the rights issue on digital media is a main focus of the research into new forms of film-making.<\/p>\n

the creative commons license should\nalso be looked at critically. creative commons looks at culture as\nrough material whereas the artlibre license, see http:\/\/artlibre.org<\/a>\nor the general public license see http:\/\/gplv3.fsf.org\/draft<\/a> where a\nnew version is just writen are looking at culture as work of art - i\nprefer the phrasing of the artlibre people. but, on the other side cc\nis much more a \"standart\" worth going for...\n\nif talking cc, it should be made clear about which license your\ntalking, because clearly not all of them are as open as they assume to\nbe (with taking a parallel approach to the free software movement) -\nmy prefered licence is by-sa as it is similar to the general  public\nlicense or<\/a>  artlibre license.\n\nregarding the discussion about non-commercial - i think it is not a\ngood idea to say that documentaries are non commercial. in my eyes\nthey shurely are - what makes it interesting for doc filmmaker to use\nby-sa, which allows commercial use, is that a pool of material is\ngenerated out of which doc filmmakers can bennefit - and at the same\ntime taking away the power of the big media players over their\narchives - similar to the free\/open software movement sharing their\nsource code, benefiting the community and givin microsoft a hard time...\n\nplease see also some thoughts in the next two hidden posts on why not\nnc from the free culture network see http:\/\/freeculture.org.uk<\/a>\n\nalso look at: http:\/\/people.debian.org\/~evan\/ccsummary.html<\/a><\/pre>\n
an email exchange regarding the non-commercial issue with\nrufus pollock from the open knowledge foundation:<\/pre>\n
First, a by-sa license is clearly 'freer' than a by-sa-nc in that it\nplaces fewer restrictions on the use of the work. In general this is a\ngood thing since it means fewer occassions on which people have to\n\/ask permission\/. In fact I would go as far as to argue that a nc\nlicense is not really an open license (as defined in the open\nknowledge definition: http:\/\/www.okfn.org\/okd\/<\/a>)\n\nSecond is all commercial usage bad? I have a friend who made a very\nalternative documentary about Chavez and distributes it for free. At\nthe same time he has received payments when it has aired by commercial\ntv stations (they often pay even when they don't need to). This would\nmake his work 'commercial' but it seems a far cry from, say, use in a\ncoca-cola advert. Do you really want to prevent that kind of usage? If\nyou do you've just cut out most of the main avenues for 'serious'\nreuse of your work -- ultimately most documentary makers would like to\nsee their stuff get out to a wide an audience as possible and that\nmeans broadcast on a commercial network.\n\nThird for the types commercial usage that I imagine you would most\nobject to (e.g. adverts) the makers would probably not want to have\n'sa' their work. Therefore they would need to come and relicense from\nyou and at that point you are in the same position as with an nc license.\n\nThus overall I think there are significant gains in terms of greater\nfreedom for reuse, the benefits of being truly 'open' and its\nconsequent benefits for making the content commons, while the downsideis minimal.<\/pre>\n
answer from saul albert from the living archives\nproject on the open knowledge foundation mailinglist:<\/pre>\n
Robert Altman calls the GPL a union - I don't think it's a union. I\nthink it's a guild. High value labourers can form guilds within which\nthey share their labour and knowledge and guard it from uninitiates\nand potential exploiters. They can do this because the high value of\ntheir labour and knowledge is capable of generating a surplus that is\nof most use to the guild as a community if it's shared.\n\nUnions came into their own as organised groups of low-value labourers\nwhose only real leverage with bosses was\/is the refusal of their\nlow-value labour.  There's no surplus to go round, no 'regulation' of\nlabour, just the start-stop button of a strike. Information proles\ndon't own anything - and we are all information proles. Even the\nCC-using musicians are information proles when they go to the\nsupermarket and get their clubcard scanned, or their information is\nshuttled around and cross-referenced by various semi-privatised\ngovernment services. But we're not organised in a union of information\nproles with this understanding of the relationship between the\ninformation we create and the information we excrete - all of which\nhas value. Were we're sold the idea that we can have a 'piece of the\naction', but I think it's misdirection.\n\nWith CC-BA-NC-SA or whatever other combination of CC licenses, I think\nthey do little more than gentrify the debate over the iniquities of\nglobal copyright law, and have nothing *whatsoever* to do with 'commons'.\n\nabout 'freedom' in CC\/NC discussions that I think are best dealt with\nby leaving the detail out and focusing on material movement of value\nthrough systems of ownership. That is a class issue, and it's really\nnot very difficult to explain or understand.\n\nIn the interest of moving the discussion somewhere more useful, I\nthink the best argument for dropping NC in most contexts is the\npackaging issue. Debian works *really really well* because it deals\nwith packaging exquisitely - formally and legally. If you're running\ndebian or a derivative, try 'sudo apt-get install anarchism' for a\ngreat practical demonstration of knowledge packaging.\n\nAnyway, I don't need to start on that old chestnut. It's pretty\nclearly argued here:\nhttp:\/\/people.debian.org\/~evan\/ccsummary.html<\/a><\/pre>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"
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